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Next Steps for Narrative Learning, Practice, and Consultation Program 2024–2025

with Suzanne Gazzolo, PhD; Matt Mooney, PhD; and ongoing inspiration from the legacy of Stephen Gaddis, PhD

Dates: Monthly on Fridays 1–5 PM ET, September 20, 2024, through May 23, 2025

Location: This program is currently scheduled to be fully online using Zoom

Maximum Participants: 12

This year-long Narrative Learning, Practice, and Consultation Program is for people who wish to further develop a personal understanding of the Narrative Worldview, and its social justice ethics and concepts, with a focus on practice and consultation about clinical work. The goal of this course is to help participants nourish their narrative practitioner identity and preferred ways of helping. The program builds on NTI's Narrative Certificate Program, where the focus is on learning and thinking about the ideas that inform narrative theory. Next Steps offers more exposure to the ideas that inform narrative theory, with particular attention to practicing skills and consultation on your clinical practice. Drawing from participants personal and professional lived experiences, the course emphasizes a peer experiential-learning philosophy, conversational teaching style, and community-building orientation. Completion of a year-long narrative training program or an equivalent and a current clinical practice as a narrative therapist, in any setting, are required for registration. 

The 2024–2025 Learning, Practice and Consultation Program includes the following online meetings. Please note all times are listed as Eastern Time:

  • Large Group Monthly Meetings: Fridays 1–5 PM ET: Sept 20, Oct 18, Nov 22, Dec 20, Jan 17, Feb 21, Mar 21, Apr 25, & May 23 
  • Small Group Meetings (twice per month, choose the day/time you want): Mondays 8:30am10:00am ET or Fridays 1:00pm2:30pm ET

The 4-hour monthly Friday meetings will include exploring narrative concepts and ideas, supported by readings. Participants will have opportunities to practice asking questions across different territories of narrative practice. Some Friday meetings will be dedicated to consultations. Each participant will be expected to present a narrative interview/therapy conversation (through audio, video, transcript) 12 times during the course of the program. Narrative practices and ethics will inform how we witness and reflect on one anothers work.  

In addition to the once per month 4-hour Friday meetings, this program also includes 1.5-hour online meetings in small groups that will meet twice per month. One remaining week each month will be a dedicated reading week. The small group meetings allow you to meet regularly with a cohort of individuals, connected by shared values, to help you stay close to your intentions for learning. If you enroll in the program, you will meet with a cohort of up to 6 people in your small group.

This course will use the Google Classroom platform. You will need a Gmail address to use Google Classroom. A short training will be available to familiarize you with the platform.    

This course is highly experiential, and draws significantly from participants own lives, personally and professionally. We believe the best way to learn is through a personal engagement with ideas and practices. Thus, we invite people to learn by practicing with one another around real-life problems they are up against personally and professionally. This means personal stories are frequently shared. If you are not comfortable sharing stories from your personal or professional life, this course is likely not a good fit for you. To be clear, we don’t expect anyone to share anything they prefer to keep private.

To ensure potential participants are informed about the various expectations and hopes associated with this course, we require interested participants to participate in a conversation before registering. A NTI faculty member will schedule an initial phone or Zoom conversation to discuss your hopes for learning and answer any questions you may have. A decision will then be made about whether your hopes and the course expectations seem like a good fit. To schedule the initial conversation please email Darcey here, with a subject line of “Next Steps Initial Conversation.”

If you decide to join us, you will be a member of the second NTI Next Steps cohort! In addition to learning about narrative ideas and practices, participants develop a precious community and powerfully meaningful relationships around shared values. We are deeply heartened by relationships with people like you who recognize the responsibility that comes with the privilege of offering someone help. Graduates of the Next Steps program are well positioned to help grow a more socially just Narrative World.


  • $2,900; a 10% discount is available if paid in full upon registration.
  • A non-refundable $450 deposit is required at registration.
  • Payment plans are available. To discuss the deposit and payment plans, please email Darcey Surette.

Additional Information:

  • Cancellation Policy: Refunds will be given up to 30 days prior to the first day of the program, minus the non-refundable $450 deposit. Due to the limited number of participants, no refunds are available within 30 days of the program.
  • CEUs: We are approved for 30 CEUs for LMFTs with NEAFAST and LICSWs/LCSWs with NASW-MA. Please note it is the participant's responsibility to check with the respective licensing board to determine if these approvals meet the requirements for licensure renewal. If you need LMHC or Psychologist CEUs, we will assist you with the application process by providing you documentation of attendance and workshop information at no charge.  
  • Questions? Email NTI at [email protected].

Instructor Bios

Suzanne Gazzolo, PhD, LCPC

I have been a practicing licensed clinical counselor for over 25 years. My early training and dissertation were rooted in relational and feminist ideas. After hearing Michael White speak about the ethics and practices of Narrative Therapy, I knew I had found my therapy home. This set me on a path to attending many years of narrative therapy trainings at the Evanston Family Therapy Center in Evanston, IL, with Jill Freedman and Gene Combs. I met colleagues and friends with whom I continue to collaborate to this day. Matt Mooney has been part of this group and, through him, I was introduced to Steve Gaddis and joined the lively community and work of the Narrative Therapy Initiative. I work with individuals, couples, and families in my independent counseling practice and also enjoy consulting, mentoring, supervision, and presenting on topics related to narrative practice. I am on the faculty of the Evanston Family Therapy Center and NTI. I live in Chicago with my husband Paul. Long walks on the lakefront are a favorite, though what we treasure most is time with our 3 daughters and their partners.  I can be reached at (847) 280-0564 or [email protected].

Matt Mooney, PhD, LICSW

Matt is a Licensed Independent Clinical Social Worker (LICSW) with over 15 years of experience working as a narrative therapist with young people and their families in Boston, MA, and Hartford, CT. He has worked as a family therapist, clinical supervisor, high school social worker, and consultant for community-based, in-home therapy agencies. Currently, he maintains a full-time independent therapy practice. Matt enjoys speaking about narrative ideas in any context, is a faculty member for the Narrative Therapy Initiative, and is currently a Part-time Faculty for Boston College Graduate School of Social Work. He can be reached at (978) 219-9819 or [email protected].