Q: Could geroscience lead to interventions that might extend the human lifespan? What breakthroughs would be needed to get there?
There are two approaches in the field. One approach is to look at the biological and social factors that help certain people age exceptionally well. There’s something about those people—probably a combination of factors, including genetics, their metabolism, diet, behavior, social integration —which gives them that ability.
This approach will not increase the maximum upper limit of human lifespan. What it can do is gradually increase the median lifespan so that more and more people can reach that upper limit. It’s the type of work that is critical to the mission of our school.
The other approach is to look at whether we can we change the actual biology of human aging. We are looking at cell and tissue rejuvenation, for example.
The field is still in its infancy, so it is impossible to know if we’ll be successful or not. That’s the beauty of science. There is no intellectual reason why we can’t break this upper limit of human lifespan of about 90 years. Public health hasn’t broken it yet because that’s not what the goal of public health is.
Could it be broken through targeting the biology of aging? Quite possibly.
Q: You’ve expressed concern about the way some researchers and doctors talk about longevity. What misinformation is out there and how can it be harmful?
There are an increasing number of health influencers who have almost an evangelical following and make bold statements about how to live longer, for example, ice therapy, heat shock and so on.
Q: Where do you think the science of longevity should focus? What questions do we most need answers to?
We should focus both on what we can do now to improve health span and on a few moonshots. There is a lot of research being done on aging. My department looks at it from a biological perspective but there are people in epidemiology, nutrition and social and behavioral sciences who are looking at it, too.
We need to integrate these disciplines to better understand how we can help people age better. We need to test different interventions and quantify what happens to our cells and tissues when those interventions work. Working across disciplines is by far the most promising thing we can do in the field in the short term.
I am in the early stages of building a healthy aging initiative across our school to bring together researchers working on this—I believe we may be the only institution in the world that’s looking at aging from all these angles but we need to do a better job integrating and funding our work.
We also need to invest in the so-called moonshots or all those things we’ve successfully tried in a lab in a simple organism but don’t yet know if they can work in humans.
For example, looking at strategies that could turn adult cells back into stem cells. These rejuvenation techniques may one day be used to slow cell and tissue aging and even revert cells to more youthful states.
These are high-risk, high-reward projects. My concern with the Nature Aging paper is that it will lead people to believe these moonshots are impossible, so we should not invest in them. That would be a critical mistake.
Q: You’ve expressed concern about the way some researchers and doctors talk about longevity. What misinformation is out there and how can it be harmful?
There are an increasing number of health influencers who have almost an evangelical following and make bold statements about how to live longer, for example, ice therapy, heat shock and so on.
What they are doing is extrapolating data—from simpler organisms, small sample studies, and non-causal correlative studies—and telling people it’s the truth.
That’s not how the scientific process works.
I worry that in a world where people have limited attention spans, the people who speak with confidence and say they have already cured aging will get the microphone.
And they either give people false hope or they give a bad name to a field where a lot of great research is being done slowly and carefully.
We all age and we all know someone who is suffering from an age-related condition. We all wish we had something that could help us live longer and age better.
But science cannot speak in absolutism. When someone asks me if humans will be able to live to 300 one day, the only responsible answer I can give is, “I don’t know, yet!”
But that’s not going to get me a lot of hits on TikTok, is it?
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